Maxspect XF330/350 Direct Drive Compatible

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The title says it all, are the newest Maxspect gryes able to be run via a Direct Drive port, using the correct adapter cable? I did a quick look around on the forum but didn’t find a direct answer to my ask.

I have a tank that has 19mm glass, so none of the IceCap or Octo Pulse wave makers have strong enough magnets.

Thanks in advance!
 
Sheldon I hope you don’t mind me adding to your question. Can a maxspect gyre such as the one below purchased as pump only work on the wave maker? If we can purchase pump only and drive from the wave maker we save money and eliminate the added controller we wouldn’t need.

Gyre XF330 Cloud Edition - Pump Only​

 
Sheldon I hope you don’t mind me adding to your question. Can a maxspect gyre such as the one below purchased as pump only work on the wave maker? If we can purchase pump only and drive from the wave maker we save money and eliminate the added controller we wouldn’t need.

Gyre XF330 Cloud Edition - Pump Only​

This is the exact information I’m hoping to find! If we can buy just the pump, the cord adapter, and use it with the Wave Engine that would be incredible. Especially because I’m personally limited on what pumps I can use because of my glass thickness.
 
Sheldon I hope you don’t mind me adding to your question. Can a maxspect gyre such as the one below purchased as pump only work on the wave maker? If we can purchase pump only and drive from the wave maker we save money and eliminate the added controller we wouldn’t need.

Gyre XF330 Cloud Edition - Pump Only​

@Hkinkade I found a chart on the Hydros website that says the Maxspect Gyre XF330/350 are only compatible if it’s the NON-CLOUD model. The Cloud Edition cannot be controlled.

Definitely a shame. The Direct Drive idea is awesome, but with limited pumps to choose from it’s hard to scale.
 
Not certain that is meant to be interpreted as not compatible, I saw it too. The pump only doesn’t have a cloud controller and should be a straight dc driven device, downstream of their cloud controller. I suspaect direct connection to the wave engine should work unless they stuck in a special link / barrier to prevent this.

Hopefully someone from Coral Vue confirm the feasibility of what we are hoping can be done.

Carlos, where are you Carlos?
 
@Hkinkade I found a chart on the Hydros website that says the Maxspect Gyre XF330/350 are only compatible if it’s the NON-CLOUD model. The Cloud Edition cannot be controlled.

Definitely a shame. The Direct Drive idea is awesome, but with limited pumps to choose from it’s hard to scale.
The pump only is just that it has no control built into it. It is just magnets and coils of wire. The issue is that the controller used has to know how much current, pulse width and frequency to apply to get the pump motor to run the right speed and the right direction. The pump motors are BLDC type motors. The actual controller used with the pumps is controlled via the cloud.
 
The pump only is just that it has no control built into it. It is just magnets and coils of wire. The issue is that the controller used has to know how much current, pulse width and frequency to apply to get the pump motor to run the right speed and the right direction. The pump motors are BLDC type motors. The actual controller used with the pumps is controlled via the cloud.
yep, your right. Being an engineer I should know this :-/

It would be wonderful if Coralvue had PWM drivers for these applications. But, that's another level of interface standards that's probably not practical for Coralvue, unless there was a standard developed between Coralvue and third party component suppliers. We could only hope something like this could develop in our industry. There's too much 'island' controllers on our products. That's fine until you want to integrate component controls into one. Way too much obsolete controllers created in that process. Hopefully, someday a group of industry component leaders agree to certain standards allowing a more efficient and cost effective way for the end user to create a 'system' control approach. That will be difficult as each OEM is looking to sustain their business and this creates a lot of potential risk, I'd argue opportunity . . . we'll se what the next few years brings.
 
The pump only is just that it has no control built into it. It is just magnets and coils of wire. The issue is that the controller used has to know how much current, pulse width and frequency to apply to get the pump motor to run the right speed and the right direction. The pump motors are BLDC type motors. The actual controller used with the pumps is controlled via the cloud.
Does this mean they would work with the WaveEngine?
 
yep, your right. Being an engineer I should know this :-/

It would be wonderful if Coralvue had PWM drivers for these applications. But, that's another level of interface standards that's probably not practical for Coralvue, unless there was a standard developed between Coralvue and third party component suppliers. We could only hope something like this could develop in our industry. There's too much 'island' controllers on our products. That's fine until you want to integrate component controls into one. Way too much obsolete controllers created in that process. Hopefully, someday a group of industry component leaders agree to certain standards allowing a more efficient and cost effective way for the end user to create a 'system' control approach. That will be difficult as each OEM is looking to sustain their business and this creates a lot of potential risk, I'd argue opportunity . . . we'll se what the next few years brings.
CoralVue will not put a pump on the list as compatible unless the pump manufacturer is ok with them doing that. Then they will add a profile to the wave engine for that specific pump.
 
I look forward to someone trying to direct drive the Maxspect XF 3series. I really don't mind the warranty risk. Perhaps an impact to the life for sure. Not all PWM drives play well with random motor matching. Until then at lease the Ice Cap gyres are direct drive compatible and pump only for the 4k is $160. That maybe OK for me.
 
Interesting, you can get

Maxspect Two XF350 Gyre Flow Pumps w/Controller Bundle​

That's not cloud as a dual pack for $400. I believe this maybe compatible. Anyone know?
 
I have done more research on this topic. it appears the old (non-cloud pump) and new (cloud pump) are actually the same. It's only the controller that's different. This is based on reports of people getting the Cloud Pump only units and running them on the non-cloud controller. I'm not certain why Coralvue wouldn't provide this combination as support. Maybe someone can confirm the new cloud pump when purchased with or without cloud controller works in a direct drive mode off of the Coralvue Wave Maker.
 
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I have done more research on this topic. it appears the old (non-cloud pump) and new (cloud pump) are actually the same. It's only the controller that's different. This is based on reports of people getting the Cloud Pump only units and running them on the non-cloud controller. I'm not certain why Coralvue wouldn't provide this combination as support. Maybe someone can confirm the new cloud pump when purchased with or without cloud controller works in a direct drive mode off of the Coralvue Wave Maker.
If I had to guess, it's because CoralVue doesn't want to say it works if it doesn't. When I opened a support ticket with CV, I was told "we don't sell Maxspect, you'll need to ask them if it works or not with the Wave Maker.". I think this topic can only be solved by someone buying the "new" gyre and seeing if it works.
 
If I had to guess, it's because CoralVue doesn't want to say it works if it doesn't. When I opened a support ticket with CV, I was told "we don't sell Maxspect, you'll need to ask them if it works or not with the Wave Maker.". I think this topic can only be solved by someone buying the "new" gyre and seeing if it works.
Well I'm probably going to do that in the near future and get back with everyone.

Unfortunately there's a lot of strategic moves my various, perhaps all OEM's, in this industry / hobby. Some friendenemies playing well together for the end customer, but everyone is looking for a strategy for their company to be successful. I guess that makes sense. I have been detracted away from a few major companies in this industry because of obvious predatory business approaches IMO, strategies that exclude and wall off competition, vs a strategy to make the aquarist successful. I'm still hopeful Coralvue will continue to take a more collaborative approach. I do like the design strategy of their controllers and if they can produce and support products that work and are reliable that strategy will work for them and us.
 
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